she sends a text saying, "go visit your dead brother." >> that really angered me. usually when i get angry it goes away because i can vent. i don't know. the feeling didn't subside. >> he messaged friends saying "i am going to kill her." asked why and he said "snap her neck and stomp her skull." 2 and a half hours later wayne waits outside josie's school. when she emerges he uhing tays kicking her with a steel-towed boot. josie is knocked unconscious by at least five heavy blows to the head. afterward wayne is brought to the school to await police. he texts a friend, "i just tried to kill someone. i'm going to prison." josie manages to survive, but

has permanent brain damage. wayne faces charges of attempted murder. >> he began to kick her head. >> this week during his trial his defense makes a surprising argument. at the time of the attack wayne was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. it was brought on by the suicide of his brother and should be found not guilty by reason of insanity. >> adam is an attorney from davey, florida where the trial is taking place. adam, thanks for being with us this evening. >> my pleasure, judge, thanks for having me. >> adam, you know all of the players here, and you watched the trial. how is the jury acting to the horrors of this case? >> i do know the players in the case. both are well seasoned attorneys. both have a lot of experience in this type of litigation, and i think they both vigorously argued for their sides to try to convince the jury of each of their points.

i think what is interesting in this case is the first time i heard about it i thought to myself immediately the old saying when we were younger sticks and stones may break my bones, and words will never harm me. in this case harming is what took place as a result of the words that were used. it set the entire incident in motion. so i think this is a very interesting case. i think the players are doing exactly what they need to do. >> when you say words, you are talking about the fact that the victim in this case who was viciously stomped admittedly by this defendant said, why don't you go join your brother, meaning the defendant's brother who already committed suicide. is that what you are saying? >> yes. not only am i saying that, but apparently there was -- between the two of them there were text messages and statements ma i had for 45 minutes of a graphic nature. and due to the defense in this case, it is a substantial factor in whether or not this

illness he was suffering from which is post traumatic stress disorder set this entire incident in motion and set him off such that he couldn't commit such an act without understanding the nature and the quality or the consequences of what took place. >> well, you know, this defendant never met the victim before. i mean, it was a conversation or communication on a cell phone. how could he be so angry with someone he never met? >> well, i think that is a great point, and i think that is something the defense is harping on or has harped on that it is such bizarre behavior out of character for this young man who is a good student and never had any prior uh fennelses in his life, and it was something obviously that was triggered by what he had witnessed, the hanging essentially of his brother who was a father figure to him. >> that's what the defense is saying. we will see ultimately what the jury is buying here. you agree there was never any unusual behavior exhibited by

this defendant which would have suggested he was suffering post traumatic stress disorder, correct? >> based on the evidence presented and what we know, there was no other behavior which he exhibited, but it doesn't negate the fact that this young man did experience a traumatic experience essentially in his life, and that the words that were used by the young lady and not that she deserved what happened to her, that's certainly not what we are saying here, but based on the defense of insanity, certainly what took place within those text messages set this in motion and it brought out of him what he was suffering from. >> you know what, adam, with all due respect, i don't buy it, the words set the entire thing in motion. as far as i'm concerned, you are blaming the victim now. don't go there on this show. she can say whatever she wants. she doesn't deserve to be kicked and stopped ped and almost hammered like a watermelon, but thank you for being with us, adam.

dr. sharp joins us, a professor of psychiatry at harvard university, assistant d.a. john hanchet and criminal defense attorney. doctor, i'm a little fired up already. post traumatic stress disorder, assuming he even had it, does it rise to the level of a psychosis or a mental illness? >> mental illness does not rise to a level of psychosis almost ever. he experienced something that was overwhelming. in ptsd you feel trapped and you feel like you would die. he saw his brother hanging. if that was that overwhelming, he had trouble sleeping, anger, decline and functioning at school. those are symptoms close to ptsd. it doesn't put you into an insane attack mode against somebody you don't know. >> just to set the time period here, it was five months before he had seen his brother hanging. his brother committed suicide. >> that's about the right time frame. >> that is the right time

frame for something to manifest itself. >> you would think school or parents or somebody would intervene and provide treatment. >> as the attorney just said, there was nothing to indicate or no unusual behavior. quickly, can a text message cause someone to descend into insanity? >> no, it cannot. >> good answer. i will go to you, fred. we are delighted to have you with us. insanity, does it fly here? >> judge, these cases at best are almost impossible to succeed with. >> rut defense attorney here. you are the defense attorney here. >> and i am telling you what it has taught me. >> me as well. >> in the best of cases you have a mountain of documents, evidence of prayer hospitalization, psychiatric admissions, evidence of prescribed drugs over the course of years, decades and a failure to follow the prescribed course of treatment of those medicines, and the defense will argue from that, that the person was not acting

rationally. >> we have none of those. we have no hospitalization and no medications. we have no even visits to a psychiatrist. >> you have no claim he was being commanded by some higher force to act as he did here. >> you don't think it works. >> okay, prosecutor. >> of course it doesn't work, judge. >> why? >> everything he just said, there was no behavior before the incident. >> talk about his text messages to her. >> i'm going to kill you. >> you are dead. he said i will strangle the life out of you. these are things a jury will hear and go, no way. >> he knew what he was doing and understood the consequences. >> and he went through these strange maneuvers. yes there is a question as to how normal the guy is and who would do that kind of behavior? but is he in a post traumatic stress disorder? please. afterward the statement -- you have to look at everything. >> statements say "i am going to jail." he knew it was wrong. guys, i wish we could go

longer, but we will see you later in the show. coming up, police search for two men who vanish off the coast of florida in separate incidents. one left behind a multimillion-dollar oil fortune. the other an ordained minister swindled millions from his clients. and later, despite being sentenced to death almost a decade ago, scott peterson is still behind bars and is fighting to have his conviction overturned. one of the attorneys from his team will join me.

an ordained minister with us. everyone thinks he should be dead at the bottom of the guff of mexico. but they say he could be almost anywhere with the $17 million he stole from investors. we are joined by scott now.

thanks for being with us this evening. >> my pleasure, judge. >> all right. can you tell us, you know, the money is missing, and so is he. what is going on here? >> well, he was last seen boarding a ferry in key west. as i said that was when he was last seen. he left an indication he may have jumped into the middle of the gulf of mexico. authorities seam to believe he is alive and may be traveling in south america. >> all right, and when he was in georgia, i mean you have done an in depth investigation. what was his reputation in the community? >> it was a high reputation. he was a baptist minister. he helped found churches. he used his christian faith to convince people to invest with him. he would take investors with him to south america to an orphanage in venezuela. he would take them to see investments he has made in real estate.

people loved him and people trusted him. >> it seems that he moved his family from florida to georgia just weeks before he disappeared. what is the thinking in atlanta about that? >> well, he moved to a house in valdosta. his wife hasn't returned my phone calls or any of the investor phone calls either. they have gone off the grid so to speak. the thought being is that, you know, it was an odd move because he moved from an affluent area to kind of a small georgia town that is not as affluent. he moved to a gated community, but it was somewhat of a puzzling move. >> there are some who would say that move suggested he knew he was going to be leaving and wanted his wife and their children to be closer to his wife's family who is located there. scott, thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> and with plea is wendy

cross who was swindled out of $300,000 by aubrey price and from atlanta aaron lipson who is the assistant regional director from the security and exchange commission. wendy thanks for being us with. >> you are welcome. >> you invested $300,000 with aubrey price, your life savings. why? >> i originally had a financial advisor that i had met when i was at bank of america. i invested with him over the last nine years on and off. and he introduced me to lee price and became an associate of lee price and that's how i ended up giving my money over to them. >> so you did it based upon someone you trusted making that reference? >> absolutely, yes. >> and what was your take on price? >> when i met with him i thought that he was this very

kind -- he was very soft spoken. there was a gentleness about him that obviously made me think that -- he was a very religious guy. >> he was an ordained minister. >> i didn't know that. i think if i had known he was a baptist minister i probably wouldn't have given all of my money. >> i won't go there, but when did you first realize something was wrong? were there red flags that went up? >> no. i didn't realize until june 27th when i called to get some money out because i was going to be making an investment in a restaurant in atlanta. when i called nobody was returning my calls. i called his cell phone, and it was, the verizon wireless caller is no longer available. >> how did you feel when that happened? >> i was panicking. i was panicking because i think i knew something was terribly, terribly wrong. i knew it was all over when i

called the office number and some guy answers the phone with another company that i never had heard of, and he says, you know, lee price sold us this company a month and a half ago. >> has anybody offered to reimburse you or give you the money you invested with him? >> no. >> no, nothing. do you expect to get the money back? >> no. >> all right, i will go to an assistant regional director for the sec. aaron, thanks for being with us this evening. can you tell us what the se c has found out from your investigation and what complaints are being filed against aubrey lee at this point? >> certainly, judge. early last week we were in federal court in atlanta, and we were able to obtain an emergency order freezing all of mr. price's assets as well as freezing all of his corporate entity assets. our first step in any case like this is to as fast as we can lock down all of the assets and all of the investor

proceeds so to the extent mr. price or anyone else may not further dissipate it. >> when you say you have frozen his assets, can you tell us how much you have been able to freeze at this point some we are talking about $17 million or $20 three million that has disuh -- $23 million that has disappeared? >> the allegations in the complaint we filed was that mr. price raised approximately $40 million from nearly a hundred investors. it is a large figure absolutely. unfortunately at this point it would be detrimental to review certain of those details. but as we proceed and work with a court agent to try to recover assets -- >> quickly because i have to wrap it up here. do you think the victims in this case will get any of their money back? >> we are going to do our best efforts to work with a court agent to get as much back for investors as we can. >> do you think that the victims in this case will get some money back, yes or no? >> that's our goal.

>> good answer. aaron and wendy, thank you for being with us. anyone with information about price's whereabouts should call the atlanta office of the fbi at 404-679-9000 or the landis county sheriff's office at 229-671-2985. coming up, scott peterson fights for his life from quintin. and a multimillionaire aisle tycoon's boat vanishes

on the 18th of june

his wife and several other family members had received letters from mr. price indicating that he had traveled to key west, florida. he boarded a ferry from key west to fort meyers and subsequently we do not know whether he exited that boat willingly or -- >> all right. investigators continue to search for answers in the mysterious disappearance of georgia banker aubrey lee price. joining our panel now is white collar crime investigator, former prosecutor from the west chester d.a.'s office, an office we are quite familiar with, and our panel is joining us again. did this guy kill himself or on the lamb? >> he's on the lamb. >> why? >> the alleged suicide note is way too orchestrated, too detailed, too deliberately designed to look like a suicide attempt. he did things that with uh sten day shoes, to buy weights, to make it look like he was jumping off the ferry,

to buy a ticket that was scanned, but there is no visual representation to him on the ferry. it is designed. it reminds me of same israel. >> that was a case in new york that said, suicide is painless? and then they found him later. you write the suicide note. what do you make of it? >> the preamble was -- there were things you do not see in a suicide note. usually if you are out of it you don't say i'm sorry i'm out of it here. he was very sensitive to how he was coming off. i just want to also say he had a number of risk fame teres for suicide. if he was my patient i would hospitalize him. he could have done it, but the note is uncharacteristic. >> everything ken said, nobody saw him jump off the ferry.

he bought the weights to weigh him down. lawyers, let me ask you this, this guy takes a trip to venezuela where he has property in guatemala just weeks before he does this. doesn't that suggest he was making plans and if he he has property there can we get it back for the victims? >> to me the fact that he was there in south america weeks before, and then he returned to this country actually cuts against the notion that this was some sort of an orchestrated escape here. >> why? >> if he knew that the jig was up here and that pretty soon everything was going to come tumbling down, he would have stayed over there. that's where everyone believes he has run off to now. what reason would he have to return to this country at a time when he had to know that criminal charges were just days away, judge? >> that's a good argument. do you buy that? >> i don't buy that. >> i know you don't buy it. >> a lot of people need to set up things of what will happen. this person seems like somebody who lived a life of planning everything.

he moved his family to once he disappears -- if he did kill himself they are set to go. i don't think it is unusual he would go ahead. can we get the property back? the problem is that we can go to court and say let's get forfeiture if he has houses and property, the problem is how will you enforce that? we don't have great relations to say now we will present the order. >> do you think they will say come on in and seize the property, no problem? we will let you do it? how do we prevent this thing from happening? this guy is a director of a bank. it seems he was a safe guy to have invest his money. >> his life was a con. it is having means to penetrate through the falsities and the lies that they put up. if you notice the people that are his victims did not own stock or bond or anything. they owned shares in his investment vehicle. they didn't have any access. >> so they couldn't open the newspaper and say, gee, my stock is up today.

>> no. >> all they had was what? >> fictitious financial statements he prepared. >> this is like madoff. >> yes. there is no insurance. there is no federal agency to go back to and say i have been conned. give me my money. >> do you think they will get their money back, these victims ? >> no. >> why not? >> people steel money for one of two reasons. spend it or save it for themselves. there is no evidence he lived a lavish lifestyle in georgia. that money is somewhere, and that's where he is. >> that's too bad. thanks so much. we will see you later in the show anyway. next on "justice" another guy vanishes without a trace. now his wife and mother are fighting over his fortune. and later, could scott peterson's conviction be reversed? an attorney gives us the inside scoop. st

"justice" with judge janeen. this is a fox news alert. police are searching for two young girls in iowa. eight-year-old elizabeth

collins and her 11-year-old cousin, lyra cook. they were last seen on friday afternoon riding their bicycles in evans dale. their bicycles were found on a nearby trail. cook's mother says her daughter does not wander far from home and believes the girls were abducted. police are classifying it as a missing person's case, but will not rule out the possibility that the girls were abducted. police are asking anyone with information on these two girls to contact them at 319-232-6682. guma aguillar headed out never to be heard from again. his boat found with the motor running was found off the florida coast hours later. police have no idea what happened. now aguillar's wife and mother are at each other's throats in court battling over the tycoon's $100 million oil fortune. take a look. >> i really love it here. >> he is a florida

millionaire, a married father of four who made his fortune in the oil industry. >> building an oil and gas company, there is nobody that could ever be ready for something like that. >> he owns real estate and sports teams in israel. but last month g mu -- guma vanish inked. seen in this video shot for a documentary about him, guma owned a boat called "the tt zion" on the evening of june 16th he heads down to his private dock to take the zion out. it is 7:00 p.m. and surveillance video captures him motoring out to ocean waters near fort lauderdale. at 7:29 p.m., two and a half miles offshore his gps system is turned on. the boat heads northeast and at times going up to 31 miles an hour. but then at 7:56 p.m. there is

a dramatic decelerate. the boat turns back toward shore and begins drifting. around 1:00 a.m. it runs a ground on a fort lauderdale beach. but he is not aboard. the coast guard searches the water to no avail. subsequent investigations show the millionaire struggled with mental health issues and playinged with massive lawsuits threatening his fortune and had a rocky marriage. what really happened to guma aguillar? >> all right, three possibilities here. one he was thrown off the boat, and it was an accident. two he jumped off the boat and it was a suicide. three and more sin sister, he transferred to another boat to get away. what do you think? >> let's start with number three.

i don't buy it. he vanished and no footprint or fingerprint and didn't take any money. unlike the other story, no money went with him. no gain at all on his side. transfer of the boat is not transferred by the electron i can ins. if you look at the gps and the mileage, it is consistent with the boat stoping and do a 180 degree turn and going west for a couple hours and bumping up against the coastline. what happened here? a by polar guy and a big storm and bad idea. he fell into the drink and is shark bait. >> you think he accidentally got thrown over board? >> absolutely. >> what do you think? >> this is completely orchestrated disappearance. if you look at the gps data it shows that he left his home port, and there is a personal eyewitness who said the boat was traveling at a very high rate of speed. >> we know that. >> then he turns on the gps two and a half miles offshore and heads on a deliberate course to a deliberate heading. when the boat suddenly slows

down and transferring from boat to boat all motion is relative. as long as the boats lineup you can do it. then the boat drifts home and he goes where his safe haven is. >> we is two opposite opinions. >> he had a major mental illness. he was real sick with bipolar illness. >> he was hospitalized jie. there was a conservative ship put on him. his judgment was questionable. he couldn't act in his best interest. we don't know how he was doing just before. he might have been relatively stable. he was stressed. he had gotten news from his wife about a divorce that day. >> the year before he tried to divorce her. >> there was a lot of back and forth i'm sure. still he was stressed, and he took off. bad judgment and maybe impulsive, and we don't know what happened. >> what makes no sense to me is why you turn the gps on two and a half miles out, and then slow down as if you need the gps to meet somebody in a particular place. and turn it on when you go back. >> his mother and her fiancee

were managing his affairs in israel. now they are in u.s. court combating with his wife for control over his u.s. assets. >> guy go ahead, pat. >> the gps goes on the whole time. start with that. >> no, it does president, not for two and a half miles. he goes out two and a half miles and then turns the gps on. >> but irrespective of that, ken makes a solid point. the slowing down the boat to 0.6 miles and you could transfer a body. the one thing is missing is there is no schillings. none of the money came his way. >> there was no schillings with aubrey either. this guy is worth $200 million. >> why didn't he take it with him if he will split? >> why didn't aubrey take it with him? >> i don't noah bree. i don't know aubrey. i wasn't on that show. >> what about the wife and the mother? what i love about this case, the guy isn't missing 36 hours and they are in court fighting, the mother and the wife, for the money. what does that tell you? >> it kills me that the mother

mother -- that's why he didn't have to take action with them. he leaves his phone behind in a dry box, and then his mother gets possession of the phone before the police get to it. and his wallet also. >> he obviously has questionable judgment, but this might be a plan. >> big storm, small boat. >> that's my position and i'm sticking with it. >> what is interesting is the month before he transfers to his mother a guardianship if anything happens. that tells me maybe he was planning something just one month before. pat, now? >> that is a little odd. >> real fast and i have to wrap. are we going to find this guy? >> yes, eventually. we will find him a place where his mother is and his mother is keeping a good eye on him. >> all right. dr. sharp and pat, thanks for

being with us. now, up next, scott peterson wants out of quintin. he says he didn't get a fair trial. does he is a chance of getting out? stay with us.

scott peterson convicted of murdering his wife and unborn son in 2004 is fighting to have his death sentence overturned.

look at this. >> eight years ago scott peterson is convicted of murdering his wife laci and unborn son, connor. >> we the jury in the above entitled cause find scott lee peterson guilty of the crime of laci peterson. >> prosecute you ares say he killed -- prosecutors say he killed laci and on christmas eve 2002 dumped her body in the san francisco bay. she sentenced to death, but has been living, status, condemned in quintin prison ever since. last week his lawyer filed a 427-page appeal in hopes of getting the conviction overturned. they claim prosecutors didn't prove how, where or when the murders occurred. the conviction relied on shaky evidence, and that the case generated more media attention than the o.j. simpson trial.

the publicity tainted the jury pool. >> joining me now from san francisco is attorney michael cor dough swraw who is a consultant for peterson's trial team. thank you for being with me this evening. >> sure, judge. >> michael, the guy was convicted in 2004 and sentenced in 2005. why is it taking so long to even file an appeal, let alone sentence him to death? >> well, keep in mind someone is on death row and the appellate attorney has to read all of the transcripts. that includes all of the sidebars that they had during the trial, all of the in chambers that they had including the voir-dere and the opening statements. >> you and i have both tried cases, and you could put this together yourself in less than a month. >> come on, janeen, not for a death penalty case, i disagree. to do it properly you take cor time. you don't want to make a

mistake. >> eight years to file an appeal? >> you don't want to make a mistake. a man's life is at stake jie. of course -- >> of course it is. >> he is convicted of taking a life, i understand that. but we as a society don't want to be like him, do we? >> no, michael you and i know you have to take eight years for an appeal? >> it could be probably 12 more years before they carry out the sentence if they do that. eight years is a drop in the bucket. >> to me eight years is unacceptable. how does this guy spend his day, do you know? >> i do. he spends aout five hours out of his cell. the rest of the day he spends in a single cell doing whatever he wants. watching television, reading, doing whatever. the extra five hours he can go out and play basketball, exercise, play board games

with the other people on the condemned row. >> sounds like a nice life to me. >> no, no. >> he was dubbed scotty too hottie. i think he looks too good. >> think about that. would you like five hours a day to exercise? >> i haven't killed anybody. >> and the food they give you. you are asking why he looks good. they give him five hours a day to exercise. the meals aren't the best food in the world. you know, they are smaller portions. so theoretically he is on a diet. who wouldn't look good or at least better. >> add to it the fact that the guy hasn't had a job assignment since he got there. >> he is not working at all. he is just leaning back and waiting to see what happens on his appeal. but that is his choice not to do it. >> it is a shame the criminal justice system often treat the criminal once convicted the way they should.

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death in 2004 in the murder of his wife and unborn son, scott peterson is still alive and well in a quintin jail. now he wants his death sentence overturned. we are back with our panel. here we have death staring this guy in his face. and scott peterson looks pretty darn good. you are a psychiatrist, dr. sharp. how do you explain that? >> he was a stow -- stoisicm

that is too cool. normally with all of the losses he suffered, his wife, his child, his freedom, condemned he president would look good. he is a cool cucumber who is sticking to his story. >> maybe a sociopath? >> could be. >> you don't think so. you didn't offer that up. >> i am trying to be polite. >> since when are we polite? >> if he committed the murder like we say he did, and he is looking pretties in jail and not sweating at all, that is consistent with sociopath thick activity. >> that's what i thought. attorneys, why did it take eight years to file the appeal? >> the only thing that occurred to me was there are issues on who would represent him on the appeal. we don't know what was going behind the scenes, whether the family couldn't afford to hire one firm versus another or trying to work things out and it fell through, we have no idea. before we condemn the length of time it has taken for the appeal -- >> don't you agree that we

should have a system where you have to file that appeal within two years? what is the issue? the state will pay for an attorney. the state will give you the best investigators as they do in every death penalty case. what you say makes sense to me. i have to be honest, it couldn't be they agree on lawyers. >> it is such a serious -- this is the end. there is nothing else here. they will give as much time as needed. >> eight years? >> i agree. but the problem is you have one brief and another brief. everybody will jump in to say, i want to put my opinion in so this person's life is not a waste. peterson has incentive and claiming his innocence to get this brief in as soon as possible. really the fact that it has taken this long can be examined from the other side and saying there is great disappointment that it took that long to get these arguments. many are wonderful arguments on the appeal.

what arguments? >> in my view there was an error eliminating any juror who expressed opposition to the death pebble tee, but did not say they couldn't follow the law. that's a no-no according to the supreme court. that's po nie t number one in the brief. frankly they have a good shot at succeeding in front of the supreme court on that issue alone. >> you have to make -- you are going to decide who will now sit there and listen. >> you can only pick those people who say they could if the evidence was there return a death penalty, right? >> that's what the law said. the judge just eliminated based on answers on the questionnaires jurors who said they were personally opposed to the death penalty. that's a grave error that may work to his benefit. >> most of the arguments and the tools have to do with whether there was notoriaty

that there was not a fair trial. >> we don't buy that. >> crai see an thon -- kasey anthony. >> but she wasn't convicted. >> there was so much going on in the news. if it was the same theory, it would make them more convicted in the press. the jury did the right thing. >> you had mobs of people outside the courthouse. after the guilt verdict was returned, cheering on the jurors as they came out, and they had to begin the process. >> jurors want to do the right thing. >> any chance he will be set free? >> i do. >> you do? and then there will be a retrial. >> or the court could vacate the death sentence and he would be there without parole for the rest of his life. >> and let's talk about if it is life without parole. what this guy has in his cell is he has a picture, one picture whereas most prisoners

have a collage of pictures of he and laci. >> i was going to bring that up. that is an amazing thing. the only picture is of her there with him. >> what does that tell you? >> he is convinced in his mind that they have a union which is precious, which is something to be attributed. it is crazy. >> why doesn't he want to say sociopath? >> he won't say sociopath. >> thank you for being with us. >> and before we go, sly fox will be out this tuesday. danny fox fights for justice for a battered female bartender putting herself at risk and facing challenges in and out of the courtroom and a shocking twist no one saw coming. check it out on fox news.com and click on justice with judge janeen. from you in the area see you at barnes and nobel in new york on thursday. stop by. i will be signing copies. that's it for us tonight. thanks for joining us.

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